Curse

thezed · Nov 17, 2006, 01:39 PM // 13:39

The Vizier was tainted by the forbbiden scrolls he read. Remember, Orr was once the home of the gods. There was no doubt scrolls there that told of Abaddon and his war with the 5 gods.

Guildmaster Cain · Nov 17, 2006, 03:49 PM // 15:49

Shiro was corrupted by the FortuneTeller, who was a disguised demon.

Abbaddon was the god that gave the mortals the gifts of magic and didnt agree with the other 5 gods in taking this back and sealing it in the bloodstones. This triggered the war between the gods. Abaddon is said to be stronger then any 2 of the other gods combining their forces, but he was bested by 5 gods.

Originally he was god of 'something and water' (kinda forgot what exactly). But it wasnt Secrets in the beginning.

Riesz · Nov 17, 2006, 07:46 PM // 19:46

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Originally Posted by thezed

The Vizier was tainted by the forbbiden scrolls he read. Remember, Orr was once the home of the gods. There was no doubt scrolls there that told of Abaddon and his war with the 5 gods.

Sounds like Vizier did something similar to what Kormir did, just on a more powerful scale. He probably found a hidden shrine to Abaddon or old texts about him, which allowed Abaddon to seep into his mind. Maybe this began to turn him undead, similar to Kormir's blinding... who knows. He began worshipping Abaddon, (which Kormir did not, and probably spared her country because of it), which lead to the destruction of Orr and his surge of power.

Makaelthos Solcry · Nov 18, 2006, 03:15 AM // 03:15

What some girl(i think o.O) was going to explain was that in a quest in the gate of secrets ( you get this quest from kaelen or something) it is clearly mentioned that a person named Tereck was the true being responsible for the destruction of Orr. I don't think they explained how, but thats what was made clear. Also, Tereck turned into an undead dog-looking thing named something starting with R in the final part where we had to kill him.

It might be major, but i think tereck was simply a priest of abaddon, and tainted Khilbron into casting the doomspell .Either that or both were in Arah at the time .

Nightfall has really added depth and explained many concepts in previous chapters, because I remember when i first read teh manual, it said vizier khilbron uttered 'forbidden words of magic' ;and frankly i was kind of puzzled, I mean why would the magic be forbidden, and more inmportantly, why would that same piece be in the city of the gods !

Well, now it has been explained that Arah was the city of the six gods, and the presence of Abaddon in there wasn't purged when the exodus took place .

At the time of the cataclysm, either tereck(who i think it was) or vizier, casted a spell which didn't destroy Orr, but sank it into the netehrrealm to be made the Realm of Torment .And with Orr, went numerous Charr and titans, who eventually became servants of abaddon .And so the ring of komalie, teh tomb of the primeval kings, the heroes ascent among other unknown places became portals for Abaddon to spread his demonic influence .

And do you know what that means ?The temple of the six gods in The Gate of Madness mission is the temple of Arah !

What else ?In that same mission, Lyssa's muse addressed us. This means that even in the Realm of Torment, the five Gods still had power .Now if they had power why didn't they stop abaddon ?
Because Abaddon is stronger than all of the five Gods put together .
If that is true, then how could mortals possibly destroy him ?When Abaddon is 'killed' in Abaddon's Gate(mission), he was actually just broken from his chains , ready to unleash his wrath, but he couldn't do that, because Kormir inherited all his power .
Now i really dont know exactly what this means, but numerous theories can be made .

=D

Tarus From Taros · Nov 18, 2006, 08:31 AM // 08:31

I knew a thread was going to be posted about this eventually. The real questions here should be, "Why did the Emperor break tradition and allow Shiro into the temple?" and "Is the Realm of Torment within the Mists or not?".
For question 1, that just doesn't make any sense. Regardless of whatever bs anet makes up to give motive to shiros actions I don't see how this can be explained.

2. Another mess up on Anet's part. There are several Npc's within Elona that mention RoT being in the Mists or not being in the Mists. I probably should have wrote down every npc who talked about it but from what I can remember offhand.

The Envoy's in factions discuss sending Shiro to a special section of the underworld. This is not the case because Shrio is in the realm of torment which is definitly seperated from the underworld and also perhaps the entire mists.

One Npc in vabbi mentions that RoT is not part of the mists. I believe the npc might be the guy you talk to during a quest, something about wife being a bad musician.

Also Why is Kormir known as both the Goddess of Secrets and the Goddess of Truths? Pick one and stick with it eh?

Speaking of Kormir, anyone taking bet's that she will become evil? After completing the game and going through the forgotton npc back to Kamadan the voiceover guy talks about The time of the 5 true gods is over, or something along those lines. Speaking to one of the mad souls after game completion will give you this gem of information:

A new god is born! A god that will destroy the others and bring about the end of the world! The cycle begins again!

Please note that I do believe the soul is talking about Kormir and not Abaddon. I never was able to get the soul to say that until I completed the game.

Also, doing one of the side quests in RoT I found that Abaddon was not born at the time of the other gods, he in fact took the place of a god before him. Who he replaced is anyone's guess but this could mean that Abaddon's power will eventually corrupt Kormir.

Cowboy Nastyman · Nov 18, 2006, 09:44 AM // 09:44

as for the question of why the emperor broke tradition and allowed shiro in the temple, he may have been manipulated as well, perhaps told of a threat on his life that would occur at the harvest temple. so surely the emperor would believe he would be safe so long as shiro was at his side, my theory on this anyway.

Mister Muhkuh · Nov 18, 2006, 11:36 AM // 11:36

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Maybe this began to turn him undead, similar to Kormir's blinding...

kormir is blinded because demons ate her eyes(pogahn passage mission)

seut · Nov 18, 2006, 12:03 PM // 12:03

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Originally Posted by Makaelthos Solcry

And do you know what that means ?The temple of the six gods in The Gate of Madness mission is the temple of Arah !

I think, it was mentioned somewhere that the temple of the six gods was in the area that turned into the Crystal Desert when Abaddon was banished.

Free Runner · Nov 18, 2006, 02:09 PM // 14:09

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Originally Posted by Tarus From Taros

The Envoy's in factions discuss sending Shiro to a special section of the underworld. This is not the case because Shrio is in the realm of torment which is definitly seperated from the underworld and also perhaps the entire mists.

It is supposed that the Realm Of Torment is a seperate division of the Underworld where those who have commited the most evil crimes are sent.

From guild wiki

"It is revealed by the Reaper of the Bone Pits in the Underworld that the Realm of Torment is a division of the Underworld where the most wicked go to spend eternity in torment"

Ulivious The Reaper · Nov 18, 2006, 03:37 PM // 15:37

Hmm this is interesting, so shiro WAS banished to a part of the Underworld, i also assumed the RoT was entirely different place with no affiliation with the Underworld

Tarus From Taros · Nov 19, 2006, 03:58 AM // 03:58

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Originally Posted by Free Runner

It is supposed that the Realm Of Torment is a seperate division of the Underworld where those who have commited the most evil crimes are sent.

From guild wiki

"It is revealed by the Reaper of the Bone Pits in the Underworld that the Realm of Torment is a division of the Underworld where the most wicked go to spend eternity in torment"

Yes I know he says that, the problem is several different NPC's have conflicting stories.Some say the RoT is no part of the mists and some do.

malevolence · Nov 19, 2006, 06:07 AM // 06:07

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Originally Posted by Tarus From Taros

Several different NPC's have conflicting stories.

Like people in real life =D

draxynnic · Nov 19, 2006, 07:25 AM // 07:25

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Originally Posted by seut

I think, it was mentioned somewhere that the temple of the six gods was in the area that turned into the Crystal Desert when Abaddon was banished.

It is. It's mentioned in the primary quests that lead to the Gate of Madness - Kormir's Crusade and the followup. It's the old Margonite grand temple.

Also, Abaddon's power is mentioned somewhere - He is (or was) more powerful than any of the other gods individually, but not as powerful as the five combined.

Night Daftshadow · Nov 19, 2006, 10:51 AM // 10:51

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Originally Posted by draxynnic

Also, Abaddon's power is mentioned somewhere - He is (or was) more powerful than any of the other gods individually, but not as powerful as the five combined.

Yeah, in the NF manual, it says something like Abaddon's power was stronger than the two combined powers of the five gods. But with the combined powers of the five gods, Abaddon was overhelmed. The god of water and knowledge was pretty powerful won't you say?

Guildmaster Cain · Nov 19, 2006, 12:13 PM // 12:13

Yup, Abaddon was more powerfull then the other gods individually. Also, gods arent eternal, there were predecessors before them and there will be new ones after them. (proof are Kormir and Grenth) Abbadon and the Five are siblings to eachother (I dont know if that term includes half-brothers (Menzies) as well).
Maybe similar to the ancient Greek gods, they challenged their father.

If you have some screenshots about any ingame lore, I hope to post it in this thread, but I will need your help:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10073310